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jwjsailplane
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 Posted - 02/23/2005 : 9:59:29 PM
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| The SJSF HLG contest in September is on. Should we plan to have sportflyer and expert class flyers? The only thing we are missing is the rules. Shall we just adopt the Torrey Pines format or do we need some ESL guidance on tasks, flight groups, and classes? Put everyone together the first year and the top 1/3 end up experts? For starters: Size limits? What about mid-airs? Back-up ships? Shed parts? Others? |
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kiesling
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Posted - 02/24/2005 : 6:02:36 PM
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John,
The current plan is to have experts and sportlyers. Although not formalized yet, it looks like for the first year we will let people
choose which class they want to fly in.
As far as contest rules and formats, we are planning on leaving that
up to the club hosting the contest.
That said, I think that we are taking this approach with the
assumption that the host clubs will stick with the generally accepted
HL formats. This includes, man on man normalized scoring, blue sky
rules for midairs (ie you're on your own), your allowed to fly any
model you brought at any time during the round as long as it meets
the 1.5 meter span limit. I don't recall any rulings on shed parts -
don't think it matters much. Of course common sense saftey stuff is
appreciated and the CD always has the power to ground a model deemed
un airworthy.
I think most of the contests will be two one day contests. There
will be one that is a two day format with flyoffs. This will be
worth twice the points for the season standings. The two day one
contest is acceptable, you just need to let people know in advance.
For the man on man aspect with sporflyers and experts, the groupings
could be a little tricky. But again I think we should let the host
club decide how to handle it. I suspect that after this first season
we will have a better idea of what works and what is the most fair.
Then if necessary we may make a rule about it.
Hope this helps.
Tom |
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jwjsailplane
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Posted - 02/25/2005 : 10:14:07 PM
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This clarifies things somewhat. We will definitely do two contests man-on-man. One thing I was thinking about was the possibility of having different tasks for the the different levels. Sportsmen having different tasks than experts. Would this cause ESL standing problems? Man-on-man is all normalized so I think it might work. Things like starting the progressive for sportsman at 20 seconds with 5 sec. increments and experts at 60 sec with 10 sec increments. A round where Experts must catch for a flight to count, sportsmen don't. I don't want to deviate from the norm too much but it needs to be interesting to keep the competitive juices flowing and attract pilots with varied skills.
I will need some help with a scoring program and setting up pilots groups and making flight group slips. I have Dale's, will that do M-O-M? The LISF guys do a pretty good job with MOM. Is that available?
I'll submit the AMA sanction stuff soon. September is usually perfect soaring weather for East Coast, cool mornings, warm days, & calm wind, as long as we don't get a tropical visitor.
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kiesling
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Posted - 02/26/2005 : 10:09:41 PM
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I don't think it is necessary to have different tasks. In fact
if I was a sportflyer, I would prefer to fly the same tasks as the
experts. It makes it easier to judge if you are improving or not.
I think the question is whether or not to have the sportflyers fly
in their own group or with the experts. It is probably the most fair
to have them fly in their own group. It will most likely just come
down to logistics. If there are enough sportflyers to make their own
group(s) then that is probably what should be done. If there aren't
then they can fly against the experts and it probably won't make much
difference. If you do decide to have different tasks for the
sportflyers, then they would definitely have to fly in their own
group(s).
My preference for tasks are tasks that reward you for what you
achieve. For example, I don't care for the ladder task.
It does not seem right for example, that if you squeek out a 1:44 on
the 1:45 step that it doesn't count. This is why I would also lean
away from you must catch it for your flight to count.
As far as keeping the competative juices flowing, I don't think you
can go wrong with the following tasks:
8 1 minute flights in an 8 minute window (good for the first round)
5 2 minute flights in a 10 minute window
3 3 minute flihgts in a 10 minute window
3 3 minute flights and a 1 minute flight in a 10 minute window
1, 2, 3, and 4 minute flight in a 10 minute window
Any mix of these or variations should yield a good contest.
There is no need to make things more complicated than this in my
opinion. I know that some contests have limits on the number of
throws, or have penalties if you throw more than x times. I think
this just makes things more complicated and more chances for people
to make scoring mistakes. Tasks and rules that are difficult to
enforce are not much fun.
All that said, it is your contest and you are free to do what you
want. Just thought I would pass on what I have found in my
experience to make a good contest.
Dale's program will do M-O-M. It even makes groups for you and
prints out the group slips. This is what the LISF guys use.
Hope this helps.
Tom |
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jwjsailplane
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Posted - 03/04/2005 : 10:02:49 PM
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| Thanks for the input. No decisions yet on what tasks to do, I think I'll attend a couple of contests and look for for something simple as you suggested. I don't need to make my job more complicated than necessary. For the AMA sanction & notification purposes, and figuring 25 pilots, should I require each pilot be on a unique frequency, or can we get by with 2 per frequency? |
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Phil Barnes
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Posted - 03/05/2005 : 4:02:07 PM
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I agree with Tom about the tasks.
You should try like heck to get everybody on different frequencies since it makes it easier to run the contest and makes sure that everybody has a chance to fly against everybody else. Also there are so many frequencies now and so many pilots with multiple frequencies that you can generally make unique frequencies possible. After trying like heck to get everybody on a separate frequency I guess I would rather allow someone to share a frequency than to say they can't fly. |
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jwjsailplane
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 10:12:05 PM
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| OK, sounds like good advice. I'll put the sanction through with one pilot per frequency. Hopefully with all the advance warning and closing the registration the Wed before the meet(so no one is changing freqs at 8:00 AM Sat.) everyone can plan ahead and register early. I'll open the registration in April. |
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